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	<title>Comments on: paper or plastic? neither! bring your own bag</title>
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		<title>By: skrpune</title>
		<link>http://www.shelterrific.com/2007/04/20/paper-or-plastic-neither-bring-your-own-bag/comment-page-1#comment-2917</link>
		<dc:creator>skrpune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>suziegator - I know what you mean, not everywhere is so keen on the BYOB trend.  It&#039;s saving them money, but they probably see it as a legal thing or a lack of low-cost advertising when they realize their bags aren&#039;t going to be floating out there in the breeze doing fly-by ads for them.

I get nasty looks from cashiers at a lot of stores when I try to use my own bags.  I bought a bunch of recycled grocery bags when I lived up in Toronto, Canada for two years - now THEY know how to recycle...composting and all.  Some grocery stores up there actually gave you a per bag discount of a couple cents to fifty cents if you used your own to encourage recycling, etc.

Down here in Chicago is a different story, at least at my local corner grocery store (Cermak Produce), where I get nasty looks when I do the BYOB thing.  And so far, the pattern is that if I bring my own bags, I do my own bagging...and then after the nasty looks from the cashier, I get nasty looks from the folks in line behind me because I&#039;m lagging &amp; in the way... and/or the cashier just tosses stuff the remaining stuff into whatever bag is closest, even though I&#039;ve got my own grocery cart &amp; need to keep the squishable things together lest they be squished.  (Sigh, does no one know the art of grocery bagging any more?!)  On one trip, there was a gentleman who did bagging to help out the cashier when it was really busy, and he was pleasant and happy to use my bags, but the cashier was oblivious and started to &quot;help&quot; bagging with plastic bags even though I had a stack of my own there at the ready...ugh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suziegator &#8211; I know what you mean, not everywhere is so keen on the BYOB trend.  It&#8217;s saving them money, but they probably see it as a legal thing or a lack of low-cost advertising when they realize their bags aren&#8217;t going to be floating out there in the breeze doing fly-by ads for them.</p>
<p>I get nasty looks from cashiers at a lot of stores when I try to use my own bags.  I bought a bunch of recycled grocery bags when I lived up in Toronto, Canada for two years &#8211; now THEY know how to recycle&#8230;composting and all.  Some grocery stores up there actually gave you a per bag discount of a couple cents to fifty cents if you used your own to encourage recycling, etc.</p>
<p>Down here in Chicago is a different story, at least at my local corner grocery store (Cermak Produce), where I get nasty looks when I do the BYOB thing.  And so far, the pattern is that if I bring my own bags, I do my own bagging&#8230;and then after the nasty looks from the cashier, I get nasty looks from the folks in line behind me because I&#8217;m lagging &amp; in the way&#8230; and/or the cashier just tosses stuff the remaining stuff into whatever bag is closest, even though I&#8217;ve got my own grocery cart &amp; need to keep the squishable things together lest they be squished.  (Sigh, does no one know the art of grocery bagging any more?!)  On one trip, there was a gentleman who did bagging to help out the cashier when it was really busy, and he was pleasant and happy to use my bags, but the cashier was oblivious and started to &#8220;help&#8221; bagging with plastic bags even though I had a stack of my own there at the ready&#8230;ugh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: shelterrific &#187; Blog Archive &#187; cute new envirosax for kids</title>
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		<dc:creator>shelterrific &#187; Blog Archive &#187; cute new envirosax for kids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] already fans and big time carriers of Envirosax bags. There&#8217;s always one tucked in our purses to use when we stop at the drugstore or for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Suziegator</title>
		<link>http://www.shelterrific.com/2007/04/20/paper-or-plastic-neither-bring-your-own-bag/comment-page-1#comment-2915</link>
		<dc:creator>Suziegator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 23:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just returned from an extended stay in France where I purchased several different styles of reusable grocery/general purpose bags.  The stores and buggies are set up to use the bags, convient hooks on the buggies.  I prefer this method to the yuck plastic bags.  I have encountered a problem at a specific chain of grocery stores they don&#039;t want you to use your own bags...they claim unsanitary and/or shoplifting problems.  Has anyone else had this problem...I avoid shopping at this store as much as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just returned from an extended stay in France where I purchased several different styles of reusable grocery/general purpose bags.  The stores and buggies are set up to use the bags, convient hooks on the buggies.  I prefer this method to the yuck plastic bags.  I have encountered a problem at a specific chain of grocery stores they don&#8217;t want you to use your own bags&#8230;they claim unsanitary and/or shoplifting problems.  Has anyone else had this problem&#8230;I avoid shopping at this store as much as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ordered by Envirosax bags from BrightandBold.com as they have free shipping.  Turns out Delight.com charges 7.95 for their shipping so even with the 20% off its more expensive than BrightandBold.  Furthermore, they even offered to include a free birthday card in the package when I wrote them and asked not to include the invoice as it was a birthday gift.

I am an American living in England and travel on a regular basis throughout Europe.  In many places, there are simply no bags available and you have to bring your own.  Or you pay extra for bags.  On top of that, you are usually required to do your own packing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ordered by Envirosax bags from BrightandBold.com as they have free shipping.  Turns out Delight.com charges 7.95 for their shipping so even with the 20% off its more expensive than BrightandBold.  Furthermore, they even offered to include a free birthday card in the package when I wrote them and asked not to include the invoice as it was a birthday gift.</p>
<p>I am an American living in England and travel on a regular basis throughout Europe.  In many places, there are simply no bags available and you have to bring your own.  Or you pay extra for bags.  On top of that, you are usually required to do your own packing.</p>
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		<title>By: lsaspacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>lsaspacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought these after seeing them here. I love them! The first time I went shopping, one bag held what would normally fit in two paper bags. No lie. It was a bit precarious at the top, but it wasn&#039;t enough items to justify another bag and I was still able to carry it over my shoulder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought these after seeing them here. I love them! The first time I went shopping, one bag held what would normally fit in two paper bags. No lie. It was a bit precarious at the top, but it wasn&#8217;t enough items to justify another bag and I was still able to carry it over my shoulder.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 04:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who knew how grumpy people could be about reusable bags? If more people use less plastic bags over a greater period of time due to having &quot;fashionable&quot; grocery sacks, then I think the net gain to society is probably pretty good. I lived in Europe for several years where if you wanted a bag, you had to buy it. Interesting solution. I use plastic and paper grocery bags around the house, too, but cutting down to the point where there aren&#039;t gobs of them under the sink is moving in the right direction. ps: Thanks for the code discount!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knew how grumpy people could be about reusable bags? If more people use less plastic bags over a greater period of time due to having &#8220;fashionable&#8221; grocery sacks, then I think the net gain to society is probably pretty good. I lived in Europe for several years where if you wanted a bag, you had to buy it. Interesting solution. I use plastic and paper grocery bags around the house, too, but cutting down to the point where there aren&#8217;t gobs of them under the sink is moving in the right direction. ps: Thanks for the code discount!</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.shelterrific.com/2007/04/20/paper-or-plastic-neither-bring-your-own-bag/comment-page-1#comment-2911</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your great feedback Miranda, you certainly have some very good points that all reusable bag companies should be addressing. As soon as our new organic cotton range are available later in the year, please check them out.

Kind regards

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your great feedback Miranda, you certainly have some very good points that all reusable bag companies should be addressing. As soon as our new organic cotton range are available later in the year, please check them out.</p>
<p>Kind regards</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: miranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Advertorial, yay!

Cotton totes are dull and unfashionable! You can&#039;t use them for anything but groceries! (Complete claptrap.) More like, &quot;Cotton totes are not what I am in the business of selling, so I am going to try to make you feel shabby if you use them rather than my product.&quot; I mean, is this really supposed to be all about fashion? &amp; does it really matter if your grocery bags ARE someone else&#039;s idea of &quot;fashionable&quot;? Sheesh.

Hint: bags only end up in a landfill if you put them there. Plastic bags are recyclable when they break. If you use them, and your supermarket doesn&#039;t offer recycling for them, press your supermarket to do so! If you have a problem with recycling, you can look for sustainable organic cloth bags, too.

I notice Mark doesn&#039;t address my objection to the idea of actually carrying &quot;two plastic bags&#039; worth of groceries in one bag.&quot; &amp; what&#039;s the manufacturing process on a polyester tote? &amp; its own recyclability? How far is it being shipped? Etc etc.

It&#039;s fine to not want to use plastic bags, but don&#039;t let someone who owns or works for a company make you feel like you need to buy their products in order to accomplish it. It&#039;s not even that the bags aren&#039;t cute - they are. But if you&#039;re really interested in being environmentally friendly, it&#039;s probably better to use what you have. (I was going to say, &quot;Or things available in your area,&quot; but there&#039;s probably a lot of shipping involved in that, too.) If you don&#039;t have anything and want to get something, there are lots of options, some of which don&#039;t come with condescending marketing attached.

On another note, the underground dog-waste thingie that Lisa mentions, that uses enzymes to break down the waste, is a genius product. I think most larger pet stores sell it. However, you do need to have a yard to use it, so I think apartment dwellers might be out of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advertorial, yay!</p>
<p>Cotton totes are dull and unfashionable! You can&#8217;t use them for anything but groceries! (Complete claptrap.) More like, &#8220;Cotton totes are not what I am in the business of selling, so I am going to try to make you feel shabby if you use them rather than my product.&#8221; I mean, is this really supposed to be all about fashion? &amp; does it really matter if your grocery bags ARE someone else&#8217;s idea of &#8220;fashionable&#8221;? Sheesh.</p>
<p>Hint: bags only end up in a landfill if you put them there. Plastic bags are recyclable when they break. If you use them, and your supermarket doesn&#8217;t offer recycling for them, press your supermarket to do so! If you have a problem with recycling, you can look for sustainable organic cloth bags, too.</p>
<p>I notice Mark doesn&#8217;t address my objection to the idea of actually carrying &#8220;two plastic bags&#8217; worth of groceries in one bag.&#8221; &amp; what&#8217;s the manufacturing process on a polyester tote? &amp; its own recyclability? How far is it being shipped? Etc etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fine to not want to use plastic bags, but don&#8217;t let someone who owns or works for a company make you feel like you need to buy their products in order to accomplish it. It&#8217;s not even that the bags aren&#8217;t cute &#8211; they are. But if you&#8217;re really interested in being environmentally friendly, it&#8217;s probably better to use what you have. (I was going to say, &#8220;Or things available in your area,&#8221; but there&#8217;s probably a lot of shipping involved in that, too.) If you don&#8217;t have anything and want to get something, there are lots of options, some of which don&#8217;t come with condescending marketing attached.</p>
<p>On another note, the underground dog-waste thingie that Lisa mentions, that uses enzymes to break down the waste, is a genius product. I think most larger pet stores sell it. However, you do need to have a yard to use it, so I think apartment dwellers might be out of luck.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Envirosax are made of polyester, polyester is extremely durable and also water resistant. Nylon on the other hand absorbs water and eventually any colour in the fabric will fade. Envirosax are designed to be strong so they can be used over and over as a groovy fashionable reusable bag, which will save people using hundreds of disposable plastic bags. If you are totally against plastic then check out the Envirosax hemp bag. Please keep checking our website www.envirosax.com for our new range of natural fibre bags which will be available later in the year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Envirosax are made of polyester, polyester is extremely durable and also water resistant. Nylon on the other hand absorbs water and eventually any colour in the fabric will fade. Envirosax are designed to be strong so they can be used over and over as a groovy fashionable reusable bag, which will save people using hundreds of disposable plastic bags. If you are totally against plastic then check out the Envirosax hemp bag. Please keep checking our website <a href="http://www.envirosax.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.envirosax.com</a> for our new range of natural fibre bags which will be available later in the year.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know what they&#039;re made of? Nylon, I assume?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know what they&#8217;re made of? Nylon, I assume?</p>
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